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House has no gutters, negative grade (toward the house) and trees/shrubs/vines right up next to the walls. Therefore has moisture problems, including some foundation cracks and peeling exterior paint.

Sewer drainage is clear. Sewer drain is clay pipe except for one section which has been replaced by cast iron.

Plumbing is mixture of copper and galvanized pipes, but is all good except for one sink which has no water pressure.

Electricity is 100-amp and maxed out. Either thermostat does not work or circuit board is damaged, because inspector could not get either furnace or airconditioning to start.

Many windows, including bedroom, are wood and painted shut.

New gas fireplace's chimney is in good condition, but other chimney is unused/unusable, and may need repointing so it doesn't fall down. Furnace is vented out the side of the house through a wood panel which is a fire hazard.

Crawl spaces need vapor barriers.

Inspector could not get to the attic access because too much stuff was piled in front.

Smoke detectors not working. Carbon monoxide detectors not present.

Foundation subsidence has caused floors to slope significantly to the north. Inspector estimates 2-inch difference in height from one side to the other.

Fence is propped up by sticks.

Outbuildings are inaccessible because locked.

In conclusion: old house is old.

Date: 2009-07-31 06:45 am (UTC)
aquaeri: My nose is being washed by my cat (Default)
From: [personal profile] aquaeri
Good luck fixing the bits that actually need fixing!

Date: 2009-07-30 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalmn.livejournal.com
old house is old.

i say tell 'em you'll take it if they fix the electricity thing and the grade of the lot. there's also some way to fix the slanty thing, but it involves jacking up bits to put things underneath them. someone has done it to my house, not that this makes it not slant, just makes it more stable.

Date: 2009-07-30 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magnetic-pole.livejournal.com
Old but still viable? Especially if the owner makes some repairs before the sale? *crosses fingers for you* M.

Date: 2009-07-30 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dracunculus.livejournal.com
Don't let anyone convince you to swap those wooden windows for vinyl! The energy savings turn out to be negligable in modestly sized houses, and wooden windows are much more attractive (and will preserve the value of your home).

http://glenellynpreservation.org/site/restore_rehab/wood_windows.html

Date: 2009-07-30 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lookfar.livejournal.com
Fence is propped up by sticks. Ha ha ha ha. Why does this remind me of the Three Billy Goats Gruff?

If it's love, I say just go for it and fix the problems one at a time. ARe they all fixable through either work or money (that you might reasonably attain in time?)?

Date: 2009-07-30 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liminalia.livejournal.com
Yes, this. get the present owners to pop or some of this; they usually will.

Also, nice icon.

Date: 2009-07-30 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com
"House has no gutters, negative grade (toward the house) and trees/shrubs/vines right up next to the walls. Therefore has moisture problems, including some foundation cracks and peeling exterior paint."

I have lived places where that would be a MAJOR termite worry -- did the inspector mention that at all?

Of the things you list, the ones that would scare me are possible hidden rot due to the leaks, the electricity, and the furnace vent. The rest of it, yeah, old house is old. But totally demand that they get the furnace working and properly vented!

Date: 2009-07-30 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomdreams.livejournal.com
I *like* the new vinyl ones. They never need attention, have double panes that aren't broken, seal well enough wind doesn't blow through them with sufficient intensity to blow out adjacent candles, don't get rotted by wintertime condensation running down the inside.
I grant you they're not as pretty. But since I have less time to fix things than I have aesthetic sense, I just hang up pretty art nearby and love the daylights out of my vinyl windows.

Date: 2009-07-30 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomdreams.livejournal.com
Don't sweat vapor barriers. Uncovered crawl spaces aren't a problem.

Smoke detector and carbon monoxide detector cost $14 for a combo unit that's battery powered. Wired-in is nicer, obviously, but battery ones are plenty good enough.

Foundation subsidence is a big issue. It'll probably be helped massively by gutters and mostly by regrading. It is possible to jack and fill, but it's expensive. If you can stop it moving by getting and keeping water away from the house, it's probably okay to leave it the way it is.

Regrading is a big one. Is it even feasible to regrade the adjacent landscape, to get positive drainage? If there's any possibility, even if it means bringing in a frontloader and digging half the lawn out, that will help things enormously. (And that's not even super-expensive, just mostly an enormous investment of time afterwards to fix things up. A guy with a frontloader will charge you like $150/hour and can rip out probably 10 cubic yards of material per hour.)

Getting an upgraded electrical box will cost you about $2000. Upgrading to 200A would be a good idea.

A way to check the thermostat situation: take the heat-side thermostat off the wall, remove the wires, and touch them together. You should see a slight spark and the furnace should come on. If yes, the thermostat's bad. If no, the furnace has a problem. That could be anything from the fan relay being old, which might only cost $30, up to and including the blower motor having failed or a failure inside the burner, either of which would probably mean new furnace at $5k or thereabouts. (Did the inspector make sure the pilot light was on? Air conditioning is pretty much optional at this point, since by the time you close you won't need it again for 10 months and even then can get by with a room or window unit.)

It would be awfully nice to be able to inspect the attic for leaks because if you have multiple ones, which given the rest of the house's condition, is quite possible, that means either a new roof ($12-20K) or a whole lot of patching and doubt as to whether the patches actually worked.

I think I'd insist on the owners cleaning out the attic enough for an inspection, and get it inspected. That's a likely deal-breaker, insofar as it's so expensive. If that looks okay, I'd hire a civil engineer to take a look and decide whether a regrade is feasible, then get an HVAC person to see if the furnace actually works or is repairable, and if either looks good, it's probably viable, but if they're both bad, I dunno. That's a fair amount of issues.

Date: 2009-07-30 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rozasharn.livejournal.com
You can control wind through the windows by filling in the cracks with felt or foam rubber or what have you (newspaper is traditional). And the upside is that that's ventilation: people in airtight new houses are the ones poisoned by carbon monoxide or radon.

Date: 2009-07-30 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rozasharn.livejournal.com
What outbuildings?

Date: 2009-07-31 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomdreams.livejournal.com
True, but that's just something else to mess with before I can *use* the thing. Although it is possible to get stickyback foam tape, and that might work pretty well. I use that on the doors.

Also, wrt efficiency/energy savings -- I've never seen double-pane wooden windows that are actually sealed. Do they exist? In Colorado, we have *horrible* problems with condensation on single-pane windows. My mom had single-panes on the south side of her house and she'd pick up a quarter inch of frost on the insides, that would run down and sit on the sills, and that was a once-a-week occurrence from November to April. That really beats up the wood, which is why so many windows in Colorado are painted shut: because of repeated repaintings in efforts to preserve the repeatedly water-soaked wood. The problem's worse with unsealed double-pane because then the water's trapped inside where you can't get to it to remove it or treat the wood when the paint goes. And single-pane windows are *awfully* heat-lossy so I never think that's a good option around here.

Date: 2009-07-31 12:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maribou
My neighbor had negative grade and had termites... in Co. Springs, but we live right down the street to a park with a creek in it.

Date: 2009-07-31 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rozasharn.livejournal.com
"I've never seen double-pane wooden windows that are actually sealed. Do they exist?"

I have no idea. I'm in New England; my wooden windows were old, single-paned, and used with storm windows. Yes, somewhat less insulative than double-paned, but I'd rather have insulated walls and uninsulated windows--with ventilation-- than concentrate my insulative efforts on things that block the air.

The storm windows catch the frost and I seem to remember it only being on the outside. And they're metal-framed. And the sills are all outward-tilted so when frost melts it would run out anyway.

Date: 2009-08-01 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amaebi.livejournal.com
Wow. I don;t know what to say.

Date: 2009-08-01 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rozasharn.livejournal.com
Oh. That doesn't sound too worrisome. I thought for a moment the outbuildings might have plumbing or other things that can go wrong in a big way. Worst that comes to mind for shed and garage is that you'd have to make some trips to the dump.

Date: 2009-08-01 05:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomdreams.livejournal.com
Interesting.
Here it's always on the inside.
I suspect it's because of the humidity difference -- maybe 15% humidity outside, probably closer to 30% inside because of human behavior: breathing, washing dishes, stuff. I'm guessing in your environment there is much less difference.
But I'm still surprised, since inside is warmer than outside and that's where the condensation shows up. Hm.

Date: 2009-08-01 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomdreams.livejournal.com
And if worse comes to worse you can trench a meter out from the house and put in drains, and taper the dirt up from that to the side of the house to do a DIY regrade. So yeah, not a huge problem, it sounds like.

Date: 2009-08-01 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomdreams.livejournal.com
Box of matches and a gasoline can...

Date: 2009-08-02 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] westdean.livejournal.com
Get foundation thing checked by an expert - nothing more demoralising than seeing newly decorated areas of your old house showing cracks! (been there done that - proud owner of Victorian ex wreck)

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