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selenak ([personal profile] selenak) wrote2025-08-02 03:03 pm

Two historical novels

Stella Duffy: Theodora : The Empress Theodora is one of those historical characters I am perennially interested in, and I have yet to find a novel about her entire life that truly satisfies me. So far, Gillian Bradshaw's The Bearkeeper's Daughter comes closest, but a) it's only about her last two or so years, and b) while she is a very important character, the main character is actually someone else, to wit, her illegitimate son through whose eyes we get to see her. This actually is a good choice, it helps maintaining her ambiguiity and enigmatic qualities while the readers like John (the main character) hear all kind of contradictory stories about her and have to decide what to believe. But it's not the definite take on Theodora's life I'm still looking for. Last year I came across James Conroyd Martin's Fortune's Child, which looked like it had another intriguing premise (Theodora dictating her memoirs to a Eunuch who used to be a bff but now has reason to hate her) but alas, squandered it. But I'm not giving up, and after hearing an interview with Stella Duffy about Theodora, both the woman and her novel, I decided to tackle this one, and lo: still not the novel about her entire life (it ends when she becomes Empress) I'm looking for, but still far better than Martin's while covering essentially the same biographical ground (i.e. Theodora's life until she becomes Empress; Martin wrote another volume about her remaining years, but since the first one let me down, I haven't read the second one).

What I appreciate about Duffy's Theodora: It does a great job bringing Constantinople to life, and our heroine's rags to riches story, WITHOUT either avoiding the dark side (there isn't even a question as to whether young - and I do mean very young - Theodora and her sisters have to prostitute themselves when becoming actresses, nobody assumes there is a choice, it's underestood to be part of the job) or getting salacious with it. There are interesting relationships between women (as between Theodora and Sophia, a dwarf). The novel makes it very clear that the acrobatics and body control expected from a comic actress (leaving the sexual services aside) are tough work and the result of brutal training, and come in handy for Theodora later when she has to keep a poker face to survive in very different situation. The fierce theological debates of the day feature and are explained in a way that is understandable to an audience which doesn't already know what Monophysites believe in, what Arianism is and why the Council of Chalcedon is important. (Theological arguments were a deeply important and constant aspects of Byzantine daily life in all levels of society, were especially important in the reign of Justinian and Theodora and are still what historical novels tend to avoid.) Not everyone who dislikes our heroine is evil and/or stupid (that was one of the reasons why I felt let down by Martin). I.e. Theodora might resent and/or dislike them in turn, but the author, Duffy, still shows the readers where they are coming from. (For example: Justinian's uncle Justin was an illiterate soldier who made it to the throne. At which point his common law wife became his legal wife and Empress. She was a former slave. This did not give her sympathy for Theodora later, on the contrary, she's horrified when nephew Justinian gets serious with a former actress. In Martin's novel, she therefore is a villain, your standard evil snob temporarily hindering the happy resolution, and painted as hypocritical to boot because of her own past. In Duffy's, Justinian replies to Theodora's "She hasn't worked a day in her life" with a quiet "she was a slave", and the narration points out that Euphemia's constant sense of fear of the past, of the past coming back, as a former slave is very much connected to why she'd want her nephew to make an upwards, not downwards marriage. She's still an impediment to the Justinian/Theodora marriage, but the readers get where she's coming from.

Even more importantly: instead of the narration claiming that Theodora is so beautiful (most) people can't resist her, the novel lets her be "only" avaragely pretty BUT with the smarts, energy and wit to impress people, and we see that in a show, not tell way (i.e. in her dialogue and action), not because we're constantly told about it. She's not infallible in her judgments and guesses (hence gets blindsided by a rival at one point), which makes her wins not inevitable but feeling earned. And while the novel stops just when Theodora goes from being the underdog to being the second most powerful person in the realm, what we've seen from her so far makes it plausible she will do both good and bad things as an Empress.

Lastly: the novel actually does something with Justinian and manages to make him interesting. I've noticed other novelists dealing with Theodora tend to keep him off stage as if unsure how to handle him. Duffy goes for workoholic geek who gets usually underestimated in the characterisation, and the only male character interested in Theodora in the novel who becomes friends with her first; in Duffy's novel, she originally becomes closer to him basically as an agent set on him by the (Monophysite) Patriarch of Alexandria who wants the persecution of the Monophysites by Justinian's uncle Justin to end and finds herself falling for him for real, so if you like spy narratives, that's another well executed trope, and by the time the novel ends, you believe these two have become true partners in addition to lovers. In conclusion: well done, Stella Duffy!


Grace Tiffany: The Owl was a Baker's Daughter. The subtitle of this novel is "The continuing adventures of Judith Shakespeare", from which you may gather it's the sequel to a previous novel. It does, however, stand on its own, and I can say that because I haven't read the first novell, which is titled "My Father had a daughter", the reason being that I heard the author being interviewed about the second novel and found the premise so interesting that I immediately wanted to read it, whereas the first one sounded a bit like a standard YA adventure. What I heard about the first one: it features Shakespeare's younger daughter, Judith, running away from home for a few weeks dressed up as a boy and inevitably ending up in her father's company of players. What I had heard about the second one: features Judith at age 61 during the English Civil War. In the interview I had heard, the author said the idea came to her when she realised that Judith lived long enough to hail from the Elizabethan Age but end up in the Civil War and the short lived English Republic. And I am old enough to now feel far more intrigued by a 61 years old heroine than by a teenage one, though I will say I liked The Owl was a Baker's Daughter so much that I will probably read the first novel after all. At any rate, what backstory you need to know the second novel tells you. We meet Judith at a time of not just national but personal crisis: she's now outlived all three of her children, with the last one most recently dead, and her marriage to husband Tom Quiney suffers from it. This version of Judith is a midwife plus healer, having picked up medical knowledge from her late brother-in-law Dr. Hall, and has no sooner picked up a new apprentice among the increasing number of people rendered homeless by the war raging between King and Parliament, a young Puritan woman given to bible quoting with a niece who spooks the Stratfordians by coming across as feral, that all three of them are suspected after Judith delivers a baby who looks like he will die. (In addition to everything else, this is the height of the witchhunting craze after all.) Judith goes on the run and ends up alternatingly with both Roundheads and Cavaliers, as she tries to survive. (Both Charles II. and Oliver Cromwell get interesting cameos - Stratford isn't THAT far from Oxford where Charles has his headquarters, after all, while London is where Judith is instinctively drawn to due to her youthful adventure there - , but neither is the hero of the tale.)

Not the least virtue of this novel is that it avoids the two extremes of English Civil War fiction. Often when the fiction in question sides with Team Cromwell, the Royalists are aristo rapists and/or crypto Catholic bigots, while if it sides with Team Charles the revolutionaries are all murderous Puritans who hate women. Not so here. Judith's husband is a royalist while she's more inclined towards the Parliament's cause, but mostly as a professional healer she's faced with the increasing humber of wounded and dead people on both sides. Both sides have sympathetic characters championing them. (For example, Judith's new apprentice Jane has good reason to despise all things royal while the old friend she runs into, the actor Nathan Field, is for very good reason less than keen on the party that closed the theatres.) Making Judith luke warm towards either cause and mostly going for a caustic no nonsense "how do I get out of this latest danger?" attitude instead of being a true partisan for either is admittedly eaier for the general audience, but it's believable, and at any rate the sense of being in a topsy turvy world where both on a personal level (a marriage that has been going strong for decades is now threatening to break apart, not just because of their dead sons but also because of this) and on a general level all old certainties now seem to be in doubt is really well drawn. And all the characters come across vividly, both the fictional ones like Jane and the historical ones, be they family like Judith's sister Susanna Hall (very different from her, but the sisters have a strong bond, and I was ever so releaved Grace Tiffany didn't play them out against each other, looking at you, Germaine Greer) or VIPs (see above re: Cromwell and Charles I.). And Judith's old beau Nathan Fields is in a way the embodiment of the (now banished) theatre, incredibly charming and full of fancy but also unreliable and impossible to pin down. You can see both why he and Judith have a past and why she ended up with Quiney instead.

Would this novel work if the heroine wasn't Shakespeare's daughter but an invented character? Yes, but the Shakespeare connection isn't superficial, either. Judith thinks of both her parents (now that she's older than her father ever got to be) with that awareness we get only when the youth/age difference suddenly is reversed, and the author gives her a vivid imagination and vocabulary, and when the Richard II comparisons to the current situation inevitably come, they feel believable, right and earned. All in all an excellent novel, and I'm glad to have read it.
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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2025-08-02 07:27 am
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Photo cross-post


We have gone in search of nature.
Original is here on Pixelfed.scot.

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Vass ([personal profile] vass) wrote2025-08-02 10:18 pm
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Things

Books
Reading Danny Lavery's Something That May Shock And Discredit You. Unsure whether I have read it before or if it's just familiar because he published some of these essays online. Discovered that the pages from 84 to 101 of this (library) copy are missing. Not torn out, it's a misprint, they are replaced with earlier pages from the same book, printed blurry. Irritating. I suspect Unprecedented Times may be at fault: the publication date was 2020.

Comics
Dumbing of Age: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. (I wrote that a few days ago.) Live Sarah Reaction. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. (That one was today.)

Fandom
More betaing, and also I signed up for a fanfic bingo event that the Nine Worlds fandom server I'm on is doing.

Games
Played Toby's Nose, an interactive fiction game in which the player character is Sherlock Holmes' dog Toby. (A lot less unforgiving than the average IF game, but just as intricately detailed.)

Slay the Spire: still spending more time playing it than I should. Since last post I unlocked Ascension 6 for everyone, and Ascension 7 for Ironclad and the Silent and the Defect. It took me eleven tries to get the Silent through Ascension level 6. The eleventh time I had a shiv build with, among other things, Wrist Blade, Phantasmal Killer, two Accuracy+ and one Accuracy, Terror, Burst, Clockwork Souvenir, and a Flex potion. And, of course, Infinite Blades and Blade Dance+ and Blade Dance. So on my first turn I drank the Flex potion and let Clockwork Souvenir counteract the part where it wears off after one turn. Wrist Blade adds 4 damage to zero energy attacks, Accuracy+ adds 6 damage to shivs, Accuracy adds 4 damage to shivs, Terror gives the enemy vulnerability (attacks do 50% more damage) for 99 turns or until it cures the status effect, and Phantasmal Killer makes the next turn's attacks do double damage. That's a lot of setup, but you get shivs that a serious amount of damage. So of course my act 3 boss was Timmy. (The good news: he doesn't get stronger from power cards. The bad news: he gets stronger from you playing twelve cards period, and rudely interrupts you in the middle of your turn every twelve cards you play. And Burst's "play the next skill card twice" effect counts as playing the next card twice, not once.) I beat him in six turns. I had a Fairy in a Bottle potion, but I didn't need it. (I did use my Ghost Jar.) I also discovered a beautiful synergy between the Hovering Kite and Eviscerate, which didn't help me that much with Tim but was very helpful with hallway encounters. Eviscerate is 7x3 damage for 3 energy, one less energy for every card discarded this round. So even if you still only have three energy, if you block with Survivor and discard a card, that reduces Eviscerate to two energy and gives you one extra energy to play an Accuracy or whatever. The Defect, after that, just took two tries.

Crafts
I made another linoprint, my biggest and most complicated one to date (nearly A5, and not very complicated.) Yes, I'll post photos one of these days.

Also I dyed some flannel sheets and pillowcases a very dark bluish/purplish grey. It was my first attempt at overdyeing: dyeing fabric which already has a pattern printed on it. It was green and white gingham checks, and I hoped I'd get dark grey on darker grey checks. This indeed proved to be the case, although they mostly only show in direct sunlight. What I wanted most, though, was just warm winter sheets in a colour that went with my other sheets and blankets, without having to pay postage from another country, and, success!

Tech
Still configuring laptop a little bit at a time. Most recently, used Themix to install an unbelievably lurid desktop theme. I will get tired of it and need to change to something less garish within five hours of using my laptop again, probably definitely.

Links


Nature
Roo sighting! Not in my backyard this time. A much smaller one, maybe a jill or a joey (are they still joeys when they're too big for the pouch but not full-sized yet?) or maybe a wallaby not a roo after all.

It was crossing the road, presumably to get to the other side. It kindly gave me enough time to brake comfortably. For the next stretch of road (maybe ten metres?) it hopped along the side of the road, parallel with my car, until I got fast enough that it couldn't keep up.

Cats
They've been making their presence known when I'm at the computer, especially on video calls.
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adrian_turtle ([personal profile] adrian_turtle) wrote2025-08-02 02:04 am

Party like it's 2019

Redbird and Cattitude and I just had a delightful night out, watching a play downtown. We reserved front-row lawn chairs at the Commonwealth Shakespeare Company outdoor production of As You Like it, which was just plain fun. Great chemistry, not just for the lead couple but between Rosalind and Celia. The fight scenes at the beginning were a wonderful mix of dancing and pro wrestling tropes. The show runs through August 10 and I recommend it.

Compared to the usual theater in the park, sitting on a picnic blanket and throwing some money in the collection basket, it was hideously expensive. But it was so much cheaper than the years of theater we've been missing out on because we were afraid to spend 3 hours in a crowded theater with lousy ventilation and a bunch of people with covid. It was even cheaper than the park performances we missed because not all the hips and knees in the family were up for sitting on the ground or in the kind of folding chair we could carry to the park.
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Travis ([personal profile] torachan) wrote2025-08-01 11:46 pm
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Daily Happiness

1. Long day of stocking today, but the store is very busy still, so that's good. And we got dozens of pallets of stuff delivered to hold us through the weekend.

2. I'm very glad I've got tomorrow off. All parts of me are sore right now, but a good night's sleep will help with that, and I'm looking forward to a day of just relaxing and no work, which I have not had for two weeks.

3. I love this picture so much. Chloe's just like "ugh, pesky little sisters".

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Socchan ([personal profile] soc_puppet) wrote2025-08-02 12:22 am
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Bot Problems

I briefly saw (and participated in, for exactly one reblog) a thread on Tumblr about whether AO3 should allow works produced by Generative AI. OP was in favor, as was the first reblogger, where as at least one reblogger was firmly against all AI generated works on AO3, and several (myself included) shared the reasons why AI generated works currently are allowed on AO3. One of the rebloggers who is firmly against any AI generated works being allowed on AO3 said, "Like anything else in a shared social space, an enforced social norm requires actual social consequences for breaking it. This? Is just capitulation."

Anyway, that person also said that they're done talking about it, and I wanted to respect that, so I'm taking my thoughts over here. If you recognize the quote in question, or know who the person is, I will politely ask you to respect their boundaries and not go looking for the post and/or reblogging it from them with your own commentary; we can talk in the comments of this post, which they can safely ignore. I'm personally struggling with the point they raised, and will probably not be able to get to sleep without working some of it out, so I'm doing so over here where, again, they should be able to safely ignore it.

So. AI generated works on AO3. )

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. So now probably the thing that will keep me up is trying to decide whether to create a Tumblr poll about that last point ("Do you post AI generated works to AO3, and if so, do you admit that they're AI generated?")
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Redbird ([personal profile] redbird) wrote2025-08-02 12:27 am
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Shakespeare on the Common

The three of us went to a play tonight: As You Like It, on Boston Common, presented by the Commonwealth Shakespeare Company. My beloveds bought seats in "tall" (normal-height) chairs for me and Cattitude, and a shorter chair for Adrian; the company sells a few of these in advance, an rents out additional short chairs while supplies last, for people who don't want to sit on the ground, which is free.

The weather was excellent for this, except that I was underdressed because it cooled off sooner than I'd expected. At intermission, I went over to the merchandise booth and bought a blanket. The blankets are intended mostly for sitting on, but I wrapped it around myself, over my hoodie, and draped it over my legs for warmth.

It's a good production, in a straightforward way. I liked the use of music, and the clowning and the choreographed fight scenes were good.
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Sonia Connolly ([personal profile] sonia) wrote2025-08-01 09:38 pm
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Story! A Shaky Bridge

A Shaky Bridge by Marissa Lingen, [personal profile] mrissa. New medical technology, plus capitalism. We all know what could go wrong, and maybe we know some ways it could be made right again.
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Elizabeth Perry ([personal profile] watersword) wrote2025-08-01 09:22 pm
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Make a decision for me.

I want to watch something on Kanopy whilst embroidering. Criteria: not stressful or depressing; don't need to be glued to the screen; silly is acceptable, stupid is not. Things I know I've seen before are marked with an asterisk. Yes, I know some of the films listed do not fit those criteria. cut for poll length )

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i did it all for the robins ([personal profile] musesfool) wrote2025-08-01 08:36 pm

he is throwing a gem tonight

Anyone got a good recipe for corn fritters? We used to make them when I was a kid, but I have not turned up a recipe in the folder of old recipes I inherited from my parents, and neither my brother nor sister had a recipe. I'm guessing it was probably the Bisquick recipe, but I don't have any Bisquick, so I will probably end up halving the Smitten Kitchen recipe.

*
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Muccamukk ([personal profile] muccamukk) wrote2025-08-01 04:09 pm

Reading for Lughnasadh

Reading from [instagram.com profile] thewitchoftheforest.

1. What needs harvesting in my life?
The Fool

2. What is blooming and coming to fruition?
Six of Wands

3. What needs more time to grow?
King of Discs

4. How can I nurture myself now?
Seven of Swords

5. Ways my harvest will help others.
The Devil

I love the idea of the Fool as a harvest, and the Devil as helping others.
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lydamorehouse ([personal profile] lydamorehouse) wrote2025-08-01 04:40 pm

New Obsession

 A grand bee on Grand Avenue
Image: a bumble bee on a purple echinaca/coneflower

My wife and I play the New York Times Spelling Bee game together every morning as part of waking up. I recently discovered that they have a way for anyone to submit photos of bees, which they use as lead pictures for their hints page. I have started obsessively trying to get good pictures of bees to see if one of mine might make the cut. There's no pay. You do get a byline as a kind of a thank you, and, since, I'm not actually aiming for a job as a photographer "for the exposure" is actually plenty of payment for me. I'm kind of in it, actually, for the bragging rights. 

They probably get a million of these a day. And, they will likely never pick any of mine.

NONE of this diminishes my enjoyment and obsessiveness. 

Check out this picture of a TINY-ASS bee in flight.

very smol bee in flight
Image: find the tiny bee. Be impressed!

Anyway, this is what I am doing to keep myself sane during these trying times. How about you? 

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Cimorene ([personal profile] cimorene) wrote2025-08-01 10:28 pm
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The ibuprofen barrier (also the paracetamol barrier)

Tragically, the supply of ibuprofen we bought the last time we went to the US - in 2017 - is running out now! Ibuprofen is more expensive in Finland and you can only buy 30 tablets of 400mg each at a time, and you can't mail it internationally, but you can bring it in your luggage, so in the past, I have just brought back a bunch of bottles each time I visited the US. (Technically, you can only bring your own medication for personal use, but we've never had a problem.)

The even more tragic part is that my sister was here just a year ago, but I forgot to ask her to bring it. Obviously it would be unwise to go there in the near future now, and I'm not sure if it would be fully safe even for my white middle-class family members to leave the country in case they had trouble going back (although they don't have any travel plans in the near future, because my dad, being quadriplegic, is immunocompromised and air travel is an elevated risk for him, and he's been in and out of the hospital lately).

When I was a teenager and young adult I used ibuprofen heavily for cramps, but in my 30s the severity lessened dramatically and I was often able to skip painkillers or get by with a small dose of paracetamol/acetaminophen, so the supply from our last visit has lasted longer than expected. (The last bottle has an expiration date in 2020, so possibly it is only working by the placebo effect at this point.) Concurrently with the perimenopausal symptoms I've started getting over the last few years, though, the cramps have started to worsen again and a couple of times in recent months I think they've been more painful than when I was a teenager! (But I also can't be sure because it's about 25 years ago.) A few years ago I was advised to try 1000mg paracetamol + 600mg ibuprofen together in case of emergency, and I now typically need to do this a few times per month. And also to buy paracetamol approximately every 1.5 months, because you can't buy more than 30 (500mg) tablets of paracetamol at a time either, and Wax and I both get migraines (not bad migraines by you Migraine Sufferer standards, but they are still headaches)! I've just never happened to bring paracetamol/acetaminophen back in my luggage because (a) I didn't know I could and should use it instead of ibuprofen until I was in my late 30s and (b) until recently there was always a larger bottle of it around leftover from various prescriptions.

Ugh, and I hate big Finnish 400mg ibuprofen tablets, too. They're not nearly as nice as the standard round coated ones you get in the US. And if you buy gel caps you can't break them! Come to think of it, I also don't like the big paracetamol tablets, but I don't have any clear memories of the size and shape of acetaminophen tablets to compare them to. But, honestly, they would have to be fairly awful tablets to be worse than the inconvenience and annoyance of buying them 30 at a time.
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resonant ([personal profile] resonant) wrote2025-08-01 02:50 pm
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Chicken adventures

Last time I saw my hairstylist, she had just bought four chicks and was embarking on a lifestyle of backyard chicken-keeping. She told me all their names. It was sweet.

Turns out chick-sexing is an imperfect art. Over the intervening month, she started to hear one of the birds crowing, but it took a while to figure out which one. It was Dottie.

My stylist called everybody she knew out in the county until she found someone who was both interested in rooster and zoned for rooster. When she was carrying Dottie out to the car to take him to his new home, he crowed a goodbye at the coop as they passed.

Out of the coop they heard some farewell cackling. And more crowing.
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james_davis_nicoll ([personal profile] james_davis_nicoll) wrote2025-08-01 03:45 pm
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mrissa ([personal profile] mrissa) wrote2025-08-01 01:41 pm

A bridge too far

 New story out today in Clarkesworld: A Shaky Bridge ! This one is more directly referential to current events than most of my science fiction, while also drawing on my experience with my dad having strokes. So this is not the most happy-clappy upbeat story I've ever written...but it is one that I feel good about having out there, and I hope you'll like it too.
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Ysabet ([personal profile] umadoshi) wrote2025-08-01 03:16 pm

Inexplicably August (hope of a movie | a household project)

I'm not at all clear on how it's August. Time, what is, etc. But word has it that Canada's getting Z1L's Dongji Rescue this month, so that's something to look forward to--assuming we get local showtimes. (I'm haunting the Cineplex site.) Having gotten to see both Lost in the Stars and Land of Broken Hearts in theatres makes me optimistic about this one being my third in-theatre experience since covid arrived.

(We won't dwell on not having gotten Long-ge's Only the River Flows, which I still haven't seen. >.< It seemed like that one mainly/only got film fest sorts of releases. In theory it's had an official English-subbed DVD release, but Amazon has three different listings, all from third-party sources, and I'm not at all sure which, if any, is the legit one.)

[personal profile] scruloose is taking a bit of vacation time to try to get a long-delayed household project done. The clowder won't enjoy the upheaval, and neither will I, but it needs doing (and I was the one who was like, "Hey, were you still thinking of taking time off for that this year?", so I have no one to blame but myself).

And now a three-day weekend. I don't know if I'll be able to get my next rewrite fully polished and turned in, but at least I'm going into the weekend with a draft of it, so I should be able to read and maybe start in on the next rewrite.
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sabotabby ([personal profile] sabotabby) wrote2025-08-01 01:50 pm
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podcast friday

 I'm behind on my podcasts as usual but "AI Minstrel Shows" on It Could Happen Here aired a few days ago and was really good. Apparently there's a whole genre of AI video that I'd managed to avoid but should have guessed at. Racist buffoons on the internet now have the technology to generate completely fake Black people saying things that conform to white supremacists' ideology, which means that they can now do minstrel shows again. For free. Because AI content creators are the worst people imaginable so of course they have to do the worst things imaginable and this is one of them.

Bridget Todd does a great public service in not only making us aware of this shit but in tying it to historical uses of blackface and the ways in which punching-down "comedy" was used to create propaganda, enforce white supremacist institutional power, and transmit ideology. It's truly horrifying stuff and yet another reason to oppose the use of so-called AI in any creative space.
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sanguinity ([personal profile] sanguinity) wrote2025-08-01 10:37 am
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Hum 110: Herodotus and Thucydides

Herodotus, The Histories (trans. G.C. Macaulay, 1890)

My dim memory of Herodotus from my college days was my VAST sense of superiority over this man who got basic facts about the world LAUGHABLY wrong. People in the past were so STUPID, I laughed callowly. So GULLIBLE.

Now, reading this with decades more experience behind me (and Wikipedia at my fingertips) I deeply regret my teenage arrogance.

The forerunner of academic rigor and a ripping good storyteller )

So I'm not going to say it's an easy read (and it sure as HELL is not a short one!), but I found it rewarding and scandalizing and horrifying and humorous and affecting and sometimes even wise. But abso-fucking-lutely do yourself a favor and read either an annotated edition with maps, or with Wikipedia open on your phone.


Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War (trans. Rex Warner, 1954)

Herodotus covers the Greco-Persian Wars, beginning with Troy and leaving off in 479 BC or so with the Battle of Palataea and the confirmation of Athens as a great sea power. (Yes, yes, the sea power thing was actually at the Battle of Salamis the year before, hush.) Thucydides picks up a few decades later (440 BC), at the beginning of the hot (as opposed to cold) conflict between Sparta and Athens, and details the first stroke of the collapse of Athens' naval dominance. So in some ways these two books are a pair, inviting a lot of comparison and contrast between them.

Trust me I know everything, even the stuff I just made up )

When I finished my freshman year, back in the dark ages, I sold my copy of Herodotus and kept my copy of Thucydides. Now, if I were to do it again, I'd do it the other way around.

Also, because I didn't say it during book group but it absolutely must be said: never go up against a Sicillian when death is on the line.

(Heh. Is that too soon? I know it was twenty-five hundred years ago, but it feels too soon.)